Sunday, 28 December 2025

Folklore collectors and singers. by Dale Dengate

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Folklore collectors and singers.

It seems to happen rather suddenly, when one realizes that you have become ‘an elder’ in the group. That is, that most people around you are younger. In fact, after you tell a story as if it were last year and expect them to recognize names or understand events, some will say: but I wasn’t born then! When you look more closely at that person it is no spring chicken you see, but he or she was probably born after1970.

 As a result of this rapid ageing process, I have memories of people I met in my twenties, who have since died, but were once pivotal in founding the traditional folk scene in Australia. They were collectors and performers of song, music, dance and ballads. Some of the names that come to mind are John Meredith, Ron Edwards, Alfred Hill, John Manifold, Margaret Sutherland, Shirley Andrews, Wendy Lowenstein, Helen Palmer, Doreen Jacobs, Glen Tomasetti and many more.

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However, I am going to share some memories of just two of those people and some of the people they collected in their search for the folk songs that were sung by people during the early half of the twentieth century. Ron Edwards, who I referred to in last diary entry and John Meredith, who became a special friend and mentor to John Dengate and myself when we first joined the Bush Music Club in 1961. Over the years I shared conversations with both Ron and John [or ‘Merro’ as he preferred us to call him] about their collections of songs and can recall lots of stories about the people who sang or played music they had often learnt from older generations.

Sadly around the 1950s and 1960s many of those whose songs were collected mentioned that they no longer sang them for the younger generation as they were not interested.  This refers to black and white singers as both Ron and John met and recorded people from indigenous traditions as well as western, mainly British and Irish traditions. Recently, while in Wilcannia, NSW on the  banks of the Darling River, I heard of George Dutton, a local bloke who had knocked about the bush all his working life, who was keen to share his story. He had lived an amazing life and was ‘ one of the last initiated by black rules’ but already by 1960 he commented that the ‘young people were making fun of the old ways’. The impact of recorded music, much of it from USA, was having a strong impact on what was being listening to by the youth. Sally Sloane expressed similar sentiments to Merro.

Collectors such as Edwards and Meredith realized they were in a race against time and even death to find these people and their songs. There was little public awareness or money to fund these collecting and publishing ventures, but this did not deter them. Throughout the 1960s, Ron Edwards published a magazine called ‘National Folk, incorporating Northern Folk’. It cost 20 cents and I have referred to Ron’s article ‘Songs and Singers’ in the November ’69 editions to refresh my memories.


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The ‘ownership‘ of a song is an interesting phenomenon and is very different form the situation today. When collecting songs in small out back communities, Ron would find himself directed to another person, even though the person to whom he was speaking knew the words. This was not necessarily the person who wrote the song, but the one who always performed it if present in the group. Before singing the song, it might be announced that ‘here is a song I will give to you.’ Indeed, an actual gift was implied when giving the song to the collector.


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The story is told of Banjo Paterson looking for the words of ‘Goorianawa’ but he could not locate it. Duke Tritton, who had worked in the bush all his life as a shearer, fencer, professional boxer and farmer later sang it for John Meredith. The ‘Duke’ was in his 70s, but said the people of the bush didn’t want to give it to Banjo as they sided with Lawson in the Bulletin ‘battles of verse’ between the two writers. I can still remember Duke with his strong clear voice singing this song and telling my husband you should be able to hear every word at the back of the hall. This was without any amplification, of course. John dutifully practiced singing in a loud clear voice, especially when singing of an ex-premier of Queensland.

Ron noted that he found the singers in Torres Strait Islands also practiced this informal ‘gifting’. He had learnt a song he particularly enjoyed so his friend said: 'This is your song now, too'. So Ron was called upon to sing it although he felt others could sing it better. However, they all joined in and stopped when he did.  

Many bushmen carried handwritten, yellowing pages of songs that had been gifted, so it wasn’t always straight oral tradition that operated in passing on songs. This was particularly so with songs printed as Broadsides. In England these sheets of the latest song were sold for a penny. As few of the old-timers read music, they had to remember the tunes and sometimes set another tune which seemed to fit the words or slightly adjusted the tune.

Of course, parodies proved popular as setting new words to familiar tunes meant some tunes did sterling service. Edwards says the singers mostly sang to entertain themselves and listeners. They were quite unconscious of any ethics involved with alterations or borrowings. I recall Alan Scott (editor of many Bush Music Club ‘Singabout’ songsters} after putting his collection into booklet form, saying that there seemed to be three main tunes from which all others descended. This might be disputed, but it was an interesting way of getting folklorists discussing songs.

I thought Sally Sloane was an old lady when I first heard her singing and playing her fiddle or accordion – one of those Mezon Grand Organ models, at Bush Music Club Singabouts. I realize I am now older than she was then! She had two singing voices depending whether the song might be considered an old song which she had usually learnt from her mother, who learnt them from her mother or a ‘stage song’. The story of Merro collecting over 150 musical items from Sally is fascinating. Merro recalled his first meeting with Fred Sloane after the Bushwhackers had performed at Lithgow, NSW in 1954. Fred was a cocky fellow, who said: If you want old songs you ought to see my missus…she’ll sing them all night once she gets going. Merro was dubious, but Fred was not joking and Sally was able to sing and recall her repertoire over the many occasions that Merro visited with his heavy state-of-the-art for those days tape recorder. Sally invariably sang as she washed up. When Merro asked her: 'What was that song? she couldn’t remember as like most women, she sang to accompany her work, but not about the work as shearers certainly have done.


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John Meredith wrote of Sally Sloane and many others he recorded and got to know in his book ‘Folk Songs of Australia and the Men and women who sang them’, and I felt privileged to hear so many of his stories about these people and their songs which have been gifted to us.

Keep singing,

Dale

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